Everton beendet Arsenals Traumserie

Von am 30. März 2009 – 9.07 Uhr 16 Kommentare

108 Spiele und fünfeinhalb Jahre lang war Arsenal LFC, UEFA-Pokal-Sieger von 2007, in der heimischen Women’s Premier League ungeschlagen. Doch am Sonntag fand eine der längsten Siegesserien im Weltfußball ein jähes Ende, ausgerechnet gegen Everton LFC, das Team, das man im FA-Cup-Halbfinale eine Woche zuvor noch 3:1 geschlagen hatte.

Ohne die verletzte Kapitänin Faye White, die schwangere Stürmerin Julie Fleeting und das in die WPS abgewanderte Trio Kelly Smith, Alex Scott und Karen Carney lag Arsenal nach Treffern von Fara Williams und Michelle Hinnigan bereits nach 13 Minuten mit 0:2 im Rückstand.

Erste Liga-Niederlage seit 2002
Jill Scott sorgte nach der Pause mit dem dritten Treffer und dem 0:3 für Arsenals erste Liga-Pleite seit dem 7. November 2002. Beide Teams waren ungeschlagen in das Duell in Arsenals Heimstätte Borehamwood gegangen, die Londoner hatte im Saisonverlauf bisher 16 Siege, Everton 14 Siege auf dem Konto. Arsenal hatte zuletzt auf heimischem Boden im vergangenen Februar ebenfalls gegen Everton im Ligapokal verloren.

Evertons Assistenztrainer lobte die „ausgezeichnete Leistung und großartige Antwort“ seines Teams. „Jeder Rekord geht einmal zu Ende, wir sind froh, dass wir ihn beendet haben.“ Everton hat nun gute Karten, zum ersten Mal seit elf Jahren den Meistertitel zu erobern, doch noch ist auch für Arsenal nichts verloren, hat das Team im Rückspiel gegen Everton noch alle Möglichkeiten.

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Markus Juchem (49) schreibt seit 2003 über Frauenfußball, für Medien wie Womensoccer.de, UEFA.com, FIFA.com, DFB.de, FAZ, NZZ und Kicker.

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  • laasee sagt:

    Hi Marcus

    So we now see the effect that WPS have on football in Europe. Arsenal lose top players to America and lose their first league game in years. In the EUFA Cup both Lyon and Umea have bad results and they have also lost top players to WPS. It appears that the ‚old order‘ in Europe is in decline. Even Frankfurt are on the edge – if they lose at Potsdam on Wednesday then they might find qualifying for Champions League too much of a difficulty.

    The future in Europe now looks to be led by Duisburg, Potsdam and Zvevda. Ironically, all three are ‚independent‘ clubs and that shows that FF does not need the patronage of the boyz clubs. Also, WPS have shown that FF is best served in organising the league for themselves.

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  • Max Diderot sagt:

    laasee, it’s like listening the song „Que sera, sera“ and I don’t share your opinion in all those aspects of developing women football in Europe. On the one hand (soccer-) history repeats itself. Ten years ago we had seen the same situation like now. Female players from many clubs in Europe went off to US-League and young talented players could grow up and replacing the migrated women. At the end of this situation european teams were stronger and won international titles. On the other hand it looks that we (people who want to support women football) need a special kind of antagonism. Here, in Europe, an hopefully solid basement and there, in United States, a block of economical effect and show attitudes.
    We will see and perhaps we discuss next year the situation that an newcomer-team will be able to surprise the football-establishment.

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  • laasee sagt:

    @ Max

    In Germany FF is better established than the rest of Europe. That is why the Americans are able to show no respect to the English or the French. The WPS takes the best English players and nobody in England cares. Arsenal FC are one of the richest clubs in the world and they just let Kelly Smith leave. That shows how little they care. It is a backward step for the league in England.

    Things are much better in Germany than in England but the DFB should make sure that the FF Buli is the best in the world not let the Americans be the best. It needs committment and money. I also think that FF needs to organise itself for itself. The DFB (just like the English, French and UEFA) will always look after the boyz first.

    For the best interests of FF in Europe, it is vital that Germany has the best and most professional league in the world. Only then will England wake up and start taking FF serious and with respect.

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  • Smulan sagt:

    I personally don’t think that this is necessarily a bad thing for „football“, just a bad thing for you or your club of choice if you happen to lose one or more of your favourite players. Similar arguments were advanced when Hingst (and then Angerer) moved to play in Sweden. But if you want to attract the best players, you have to offer them a way to make a living and/or „added value“.

    With a bit of exaggeration (though not much), just a year or two ago it was more a matter in the Swedish, German and English leagues of „who’s going to be runner up?“. The final stretch was a torturous series of non matches that didn’t matter to many people, because the title had already been decided. I for one am glad that situation is changing; I don’t want to see Lyon beat team after team 9:0. Nor see Crailsheim pounded into the ground repeatedly. For me, the „best league in the world“ would be a league that offers a challenge to all the (relatively evenly matched) competing teams; how else are you going to develop skills and motivate players?! I realise that this is a Utopia as yet, but the WPS are in a position to actually attempt to start from scratch and achieve a fair amount of balance. Whether they will do it is an entirely different matter, but I accept the principle as a kind of „social football experiment“.

    This being said, I find it quite ironic that you, laasee, emphasize the fact that Duisburg, Potsdam and the like don’t need the „boyz“ clubs to be successful, at the same time as pointing out that e.g. Umeå and Frankfurt are on the decline, neither of which of the latter are backed by men’s teams either. If this isn’t what you mean by „boyz clubs“, by all means feel free to define your terms.

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  • laasee sagt:

    @ Smulan

    Sorry for not being clearer in my earlier post. I meant with Frankfurt and Umea as being the ‚established order‘. Now in the UEFA Cup both Duisburg and Zvezda have a good chance of making the final and the possibility of a creating a ’new order‘ in European competition. With both Frankfurt and Umea it is perhaps a situation of all successful clubs, that for a couple of years they decline and then rebuild to come back again.

    What is the worst scenario for FF in Europe is the case of Lyon, Arsenal or Bayern Munchen being the leading clubs. For the development of FF it is vital that the top European clubs are independent and not ‚boyz‘ clubs. In England the top league clubs are Arsenal, Everton and Chelsea. For the boyz games they get 60,000, 35,000 and 41,000. For the girlz games it is 200 on a sunny day! In Germany, FCB and HSV get massive crowds for the boyz but for the girlz it is 400 at FCB and 300 at HSV. That is why I am so passionate about FF taking control of its own destiny. The boyz football says lots of nice words about FF – but it is all just bullshit.

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  • Smulan sagt:

    I don’t really see that there’s a direct correlation between average attendances and whether or not the women’s clubs have male counterparts. I’m also not entirely sure I agree with your conclusion that „For the development of FF it is vital that the top European clubs are independent and not ‘boyz’ clubs“. For one, I would say it depended very much on how much of a commitment the actual club made to the women’s and men’s sections respectively. The case of Charlton Athletic certainly made hordes of women’s football fans want to strangle the management (and then some), but I watch football in a place where there are 3 main women’s teams, all with men’s teams in their clubs too. The 3 clubs provide varying amounts of money and varying amounts of support for their respective women’s section. You just have to look at their websites to see what degree of integration there is (or isn’t). And it’s not the case that those that are well funded are necessarily more integrated or receive more support from the club either. Nor do they achieve higher attendance figures. So it’s difficult to discuss the connection between men’s and women’s teams without being more specific about details.

    Another aspect is that the success of the likes of Bayern München in the Frauenbundesliga has forced other teams to pull their socks up rather than just resting on their laurels and expecting to make it to the Women’s Cup anyway. If you see this as an expression of corporate culture in some way, perhaps you think it’s a bad thing in the long run. But I see it in the interim as a chance for young players like Katharina Baunach to develop and possibly „spread their wings“, for want of a better expression. Where else are they going to get started out, when opportunities are limited?

    I would say, though, that I think it might help clarify your arguments if you were more specific about who the „enemy“ is in particular circumstances, e.g. the national federations, the clubs, whatever. „Boyz“ seems to cover a multitude of sins.

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  • laasee sagt:

    The ‚enemy‘ is the vested interests in boyz football – self protection, financial greed, insecurity etc. They are scared of FF but in this day and age they try and control the development of FF. In the past they just banned it. The DFB, FA and UEFA do not view FF as an equal. This is what I refer to as boyz. I am sure that there are males and females involved in the boyz organisations who are open minded and wish well for FF – but they are in a minority.

    In England, Mohammed al Fayed spent millions on making Fulham FC fully professional. He did so on the understanding that the FA would make the whole league fully professional. The FA backtracked and did not, so Fayed stopped paying for Fulham. You have mentioned the horror of what happened at Charlton. Last year, Arsenal were allowed to play the last match at the Emirates Stadium but only a maximum of 5,000 were allowed to watch. Again, another example of ‚controlling‘ FF. The FA talk of a summer league instead of organising and financing properly the traditional winter league. Where are the games going to be played in the summer? These are all examples of how the boyz are a hindrance to FF.

    If UEFA were genuine about FF then would it not have been a positive promotion of FF to have televised both UEFA Cup semi-final games live on their web-site? They don’t care at all. They do the minimum amount necessary for FF.

    I am critical of some aspects of the WSL but in principle it is a boost for FF. Mainly because it is a league being organised for the benefit of FF, played in proper stadiums with a TV contract – which has to help the profile and promotion of the game. Why could not the DFB have not beaten the Yankees to the ball and done the same in Germany?

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  • Smulan sagt:

    „Mainly because it is a league being organised for the benefit of FF, played in proper stadiums with a TV contract – which has to help the profile and promotion of the game.“

    I don’t think we should be too blue eyed and bushy tailed here. The WPS is a league being organised for the benefit of investors who see women’s football as a „product“. I watched the inaugural game last night and even the female commentator mentioned the quality of the „product“ at least 5 times during the match. Internet chat rooms and threads devoted to the new league are full of discussions of how players should dress and present themselves to attract more *men* to the games, including comments on how some players shouldn’t be used to publicise the WPS because they’re not as „hot“ as others. Frankly, that’s not where I hope European women’s football is heading, even though a few examples lead me to suspect that it might be.

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  • laasee sagt:

    I’d rather have WSL with 15,000 than Arsenal or FCB with 200 and 400.

    I hope that FCR becomes the dominant team in Germany and Europe with crowds to match that of the WSL.

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  • Smulan sagt:

    The WPS has set its target at 4-5000 on average per game and most observers agree that opening game attendance is not likely to be representative. If it’s merely increased attendance you’re after, then the only European teams that would have a chance to hit anywhere near those figures are teams in massive conurbations where there is no other competition for spectators from either other football teams or other sports. In my home town (pop. just under a million) on a good Sunday, you might get 3000 people out watching women’s football. But they’ll be watching 3 different teams and splitting attendance. However, three top level teams in the same town leads to increased competition for players between the teams and gives the players development options without having to uproot or even give up football for personal reasons.

    I’d rather see diversity and increased competition in leagues than a couple of mega clubs like Lyon. To me, a more even playing field seems to be the only sustainable development. It’ll be interesting to see if the closeness of the league race in Germany has an effect on attendances during the crucial stages this season. In Sweden, Marta and the other „stars“ in Umeå put bums on seats, but the attendance-boosting effect was only seen by the teams visited by Umeå once a season. Again perhaps a Utopia, but if each team had its own „Marta & co“, there’s no reason why this effect couldn’t be sustained.

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  • laasee sagt:

    The Bundesliga averages 698 per game this season. I hope the Americans reach their target of 5000 because it will be good for the profile of FF. Germany must take the lead in Europe and one simple step to take is having matches on a Saturday at the same time as the boys. Also, playing in proper stadiums helps to attract fans. Not forgetting TV exposure.

    I hope that should a mega club emerge that it is an independent club – ideally Duisburg. That will be positive for FF and help to take the game to a far higher level. The next couple of games (FCB and Lyon) will be crucial. If Duisburg reach the final of the UEFA Cup then that will give Inka Grings the platform to show what an immense player she is. I seriously believe that the future success of FF in general over the next couple of years is linked to the success of FCR as a club and of Inka as the leading player in Europe.

    Fingers crossed.

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  • Max Diderot sagt:

    So many people in Germany are hoping for the same effect after the WC 2011 as we can regard by games of first and second football-league of men. Almost all matches are sold out. The attendance is top in Europe, stronger like in english Premier League.
    In women football it seems that we can do things better. After 95 matches in first league there is an average of 688 spectators. Take a look on this link: http://www.weltfussball.de/zuschauer/_96/1/ for further informations. When I’m right for remembering the budget from the Frankfurt ladies, it is nearby € 1 Million, they are in best case able for aiming 10%-15% of their expenses. The rest of the money is collected by business-partners. By the way: the Frankfurt top sponsor is a bank – Commerzbank AG. This institute take part of the german „Rettungsschirm“ (crisis-umbrella) which save companies from bankruptcy.
    In the past I have often said that women football in Germany need two important factors: Any club must be employed for a medium-term-concept. The second part obtains in a financial support by DFB (Deutscher Fußballbund) – one of the richest sports organization in the world. It should only be launching financing according to the concepts more like a development fund. The same constellation could be started by UEFA and so on.

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  • laasee sagt:

    @ Max

    I agree with you. The lead must come from Germany. Only then will UEFA, England and other countries start getting serious about FF. Germany has the advantage of hosting WM2011 and for the next two years there needs to be much stronger organisational development and financial development. Then the others will be forced to follow.

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  • Smulan sagt:

    „I agree with you. The lead must come from Germany.“

    laasee, I actually don’t see the previous poster saying that. I hope he’ll correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like he’s saying that Germany is hoping for a World Cup effect, which is far from the conclusion that you’re drawing. Why are you so set on the idea that Germany must assume some kind of saviour status for women’s football in Europe? Do you think merely hosting the World Cup is enough? You mention England, but the one thing that got the English FA’s finger out (though too little, too late) was the threat of the WPS, nothing else.

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  • laasee sagt:

    @Smulan

    I was agreeing with the previous posters general points. Beside a postive effect after the World Cup, I think there must also be impetus in the two years before the World Cup. Then there are even greater benefits after the World Cup.

    Germany is the leading nation in Europe. WM holders, EM winners (6 of 9), EUFA Cup winners (4 of 7). Only Damallsvenskan can compare with Bundesliga. If you look at it logically the driving force for FF progress must come from Germany. Sweden is only a small nation and for impact it has to be one of the big nations. England will not lead progress, nor Italy or France or Spain. So, if not Germany then who? Who is the best player in all of Europe this season?…..Inka Grings. It all happens in Germany (he,he).

    What is needed is simple things :

    1. Matches on Saturday afternoon.
    2. Games in ‚proper‘ stadium.
    3. Television contract (for money and exposure).

    It really is that simple. It just requires leadership from within German football. The growth of FF at grass roots level all over Europe means it is just a matter of time before real change happens. When it starts in one country then other countries follow like sheep. The more investment before WM2011 then the greater the benefits to be gained after the World Cup.

    Football is a simple game and many of the solutions are simple (more money is also not a handicap).

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  • Max Diderot sagt:

    Guys, you’re both right. A big influence has to come from the great nations. Into this sense „great“ means a large population. Why this? In Germany, UK, France or Italy the teams could generate more money from TV-stations and sponsors. Also the federations (i.e. DFB) are big players for aiming at money and lead it away to the european federation UEFA. So this association is able for protecting small countries in developing women football. In my sight I stress countries like Turkey or Serbia and the former states of Yugoslavia.
    In younger past we have seen the influence of smaller countries to new strategies. Especially from the scandinavian states.Often they are faster to put action into proposals. They delegate on a direct level. For me the conclusion of developing women football in Europe is at first the question of being well organized. An association like UEFA but acting and fighting for development of women football and focalizing the situation of (semi-) professional players.
    Likewise the structure of federations has to change. Why are so many male members deciding about women football. Where are equal opportunities for men and women in these panels like DFB and UEFA?
    laasee has written „Football is a simple game and many of the solutions are simple (more money is also not a handicap).“ Into this sentence he has summed up all the ideas and possibilities of (women) football.

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